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« on: August 27, 2010, 09:47:14 AM »

I thought of this yesterday. How about making it so that this forum can be opened  up after the awards to the people that were judges?

So only people that volunteer to be judges can see what has been said in all categories. I wish I had thought of this earlier to promote more judges =p

What do you guys think?

If so I'll start a new thread where you have to tell me if you want access. After the awards are over I'll give you access. I can give access to last year's awards immediately!

This topic is on DD as well.
http://www.drunkduck.com/community/view_topic.php?tid=54354&cid=232
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2010, 09:52:06 AM »

Well, I for one would love that.

And I have to say the main reason is because my comic is/was up for some awards and I would love to see what the judges thought of it.

The other reason being similar - to see the thought process of other judges in action. Although I've seen a lot in my five categories this year, I wouldn't mind seeing more.

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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2010, 10:25:49 AM »

i dont think it's a good idea cause most o the people who volunteered are nominated in one or a few of the  categorys and i can imagine a few getting angy at some othr users if their comments or the way they judged in that category.
 
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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2010, 12:02:27 PM »

I'm all for it BECAUSE of the reason that dontwrrybehappy stated. lots of us DO have some nominated comic or other. Even if there is harsh criticism, sometimes that can be helpful.
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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2010, 12:14:30 PM »

*raises hand* I'm all for it!  Grin
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2010, 12:19:41 PM »

i dont think it's a good idea cause most o the people who volunteered are nominated in one or a few of the  categorys and i can imagine a few getting angy at some othr users if their comments or the way they judged in that category.
 
That's also the reason I decided to just do it for the panelists. I don't think any of the users here would react in a negative manner to even the most extreme criticism.
But that's also the reason I'd have users sign up for it too. So they can read if they wish. Not to be "forced" to read. Everyone here knows the potential of what could have been said.

But if it would make you regret things you said or be worried it wouldn't be as private later on I wouldn't want to do it either. You are a good critic for this and I want you to be happy and feel secure in being able to state your mind in the judging process. Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2010, 12:53:46 PM »

I think most if not all of the judges can handle some harsh words.
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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2010, 12:55:19 PM »

@JNP. well, i dont mind since i dont have any Smiley
*doesn't have the dedication* xD
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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2010, 01:27:58 PM »

I already saw them. *Cries* Everyone is so mean to me!! ( Joking Wink )
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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2010, 02:50:21 PM »

I already saw them. *Cries* Everyone is so mean to me!! ( Joking Wink )

LMAO!!! i can always be mean to you Wink
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2010, 12:03:44 AM »

That sounds really slimy Shocked
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2010, 01:30:19 AM »

I'm not in favour.

I've seen some fairly rude and dismissive criticism of some of the comics here and I don't think it would be helpful for creators to be exposed to that.  Some are thick-skinned enough to brush it off, obviously, but there are a lot of sensitive people making comics and I do think some creators could be hurt.

Secondly, the nice thing about the confidential nature of the categories is that judges are free to be very honest about the comics they're judging.  If they felt their comments were going to be open to scrutiny at a later stage, they may be tempted to say less and simply opt for a ranking.  

Thirdly, I believe there's also a risk that this could reduce the number of people volunteering in the future.  Why judge a category if there's a possibility that your comments could be held against you (and/or your own comic!) at a later stage?

Finally, there have always been categories in which the final result is disputed.  That's fine - decisions of this nature are largely subjective after all.  In my experience, however, the more people there are who have access to the reasoning behind the decisions, the more people there are who will argue that the decision was flawed/biased/unfair.

I can understand why some of the creators here do want to see the discussions surrounding their own comics.  On a personal level, I must admit I'm just as interested in what people have said about Shades.  But, for all the reasons given above, I do think that opening up the discussions would be a very bad thing for the awards.  I do hope you don't decide to go down this route.  There's a reason why the jury's deliberations are always kept secret for the Oscars!
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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2010, 02:36:39 AM »

You raise a lot of good points.  Cheesy

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I'm not in favour.

I've seen some fairly rude and dismissive criticism of some of the comics here and I don't think it would be helpful for creators to be exposed to that.  Some are thick-skinned enough to brush it off, obviously, but there are a lot of sensitive people making comics and I do think some creators could be hurt.

Well, it has been mentioned that people would have the choice on whether or not they'd like to see them, so you wouldn't *have* to. :/ I personally think it's okay to be honest and blunt, but I hope that if there have been rude judges that they've been discouraged from using offensive language.

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Secondly, the nice thing about the confidential nature of the categories is that judges are free to be very honest about the comics they're judging.  If they felt their comments were going to be open to scrutiny at a later stage, they may be tempted to say less and simply opt for a ranking.

This I can't really argue with, but I think maybe some might already feel like that with the moderators watching, haha.

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Thirdly, I believe there's also a risk that this could reduce the number of people volunteering in the future.  Why judge a category if there's a possibility that your comments could be held against you (and/or your own comic!) at a later stage?

I don't know. Though it might be hard, I think this could be moderated to an extent.  I think that people should at least be able to see what was said in the categories they were nominated for.

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Finally, there have always been categories in which the final result is disputed.  That's fine - decisions of this nature are largely subjective after all.  In my experience, however, the more people there are who have access to the reasoning behind the decisions, the more people there are who will argue that the decision was flawed/biased/unfair.

Well, with anything, people will argue. Even this year, people wanted judging to be randomly assigned. People might also argue when they see that some judges (like me) have judged a certain category two years in a row. I think anyone who seriously argues a decision that's been made a year ago is being immature. >_>

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I can understand why some of the creators here do want to see the discussions surrounding their own comics.  On a personal level, I must admit I'm just as interested in what people have said about Shades.  But, for all the reasons given above, I do think that opening up the discussions would be a very bad thing for the awards.  I do hope you don't decide to go down this route.  There's a reason why the jury's deliberations are always kept secret for the Oscars!

Haha, I don't think we're on the same caliber as the Oscars xD.

A lot of us are working on really long, on-going projects and it would be nice to know the good, bad, and ugly of what we're doing so we can make improvements and quit using some of the elements that are making our works fail to reach its potential.  I understand why one would want to keep the forums closed, but I think it would be nice to have a little transparency in what we do here.

If people have a record of being overly-malicious in their judging style, I say good, let everyone see that it's them. Maybe next time they'll be more courteous and less juvenile in the way they present their opinions. Through judging here, I've read some comics that I really didn't enjoy, but there are many ways to express that other than "I hated it!". I'm not advocating a witch-hunt, I'm just saying that rude people should not be involved anyway. D:

I *hope* people are mature enough here to know what they can and can't take in terms of criticism, and I *hope* that maturity will aid them in deciding whether or not they'd like to see the decisions made in the category they were nominated for.  But I won't lie; I advocate for this for heavily selfish reasons xD. I've been dyin' to know for a long while, haha.
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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2010, 03:14:39 AM »

Well, it has been mentioned that people would have the choice on whether or not they'd like to see them [...]

Yes, but that's back-to-front.  Judges have agreed to judge on the basis they would be having private discussions with two or three fellow judges (and, yes, the mods!)  That's why no one else has access to the individual category forums.  You should therefore obtain the permission of the judges before making their private comments open to a wider audience, not simply respond to a request by the creator!

I'm not saying this because I think I've been rude or unfair.  I hope JNP, UB and the other judges in the categories I've judged will all agree that all my comments have been objective, reasoned and pertinent and that they have always been expressed in a polite and considered way.  Nevertheless, I do not want to hurt anyone's feelings even accidentally, and so I do not want those comments made available to anyone else.

If I wanted to say anything publicly, I would say it in my blog or in the general DD forums.  If I wanted to say something (positive or negative) directly to a creator, I would leave a comment on the comic or send the creator a PQ.  The comments I've made here, no matter how rational and polite, were not written for consideration by anyone other than the other judges in the relevant category. 

If you want to introduce this idea for the awards in the future then that's one thing.  People will then be able volunteer to be judges knowing that their comments may be read by the creators of the comics they'e judging.  I disagree strongly, however, with the idea of making any of the comments from this year or last year available without first getting the relevant judges' agreement.

As I say, I think my opinions have been honest and fair, and I believe the way I've expressed them should not give offence to anyone.  Nevertheless, I am concerned that people could be unintentionally hurt by some of the comments in these forums and, if the discussions here are going to be opened up, then I would like to be given the opportunity to delete my comments first.
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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2010, 03:47:11 AM »

I wasn't implying that you've said unfair things, so I apologize if I came off that way  Cheesy

All in all, it's up to JNP I suppose, but I see what you're saying about how the judges should have a big say in it too.
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